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I've avoided talking much about LJ's latest shenanigans. Part of this is just sheer exhaustion with the regular cycle on LJ-induced outrage that has been going on since SixApart bought LiveJournal twelve years ago. Twelve years, y'all.

I've also been posting to Dreamwidth with automatic crossposts to LiveJournal for seven years now. (Yeesh. All this looking back makes me feel old.) I would have gladly conducted most of my activity on DW--ymmv but the site is far more user-friendly and the administration actually gives a flying fig about its users and isn't evil--but most of my friends didn't move, or if they did, commented on my posts on LJ, which made me feel somewhat like the person who chooses to move out of their bass-ackwards hometown but everyone they know still lives there, and they love those people, so they spend a lot of time there nonetheless.

Anyway, not much is changing for me.

  1. I will continue to post to DW as my primary journal site with automatic crossposts to LJ. I totally get why the new skeevy-as-fuck ToS has encouraged people to close their accounts (just as I got why people left when U.S.-owned SixApart pulled their multiple bouts of fundagelical-induced stupidity) but ...

  2. I plan to ignore that anyway and continue to leave up the "gay propaganda" and the slash and all the cussing I've dabbled in over the years and to continue posting these things when I want to. I'm not even clear if the ToS applies to me, as a paid account holder (and apparently the paid accounts are still U.S.-owned?), since I don't read Russian and the person LJ chosen to answer English-language questions on their news post could barely speak English ... but whatevs. I really don't give a fuck if LJ wants to shut down my account, so I'm going to continue to post what I want without special warnings or filters or whatever.

All that said, I AM diverting much of my reading to DW rather than LJ. In reading regularly on both sites over Spring Break, I've found that most people who are still posting are crossposting, and I'd rather read and comment on DW. I do get post notifications from a few close friends on LJ, and I'll keep replying to those, but I'm not foreseeing picking up reading on LJ anytime in the near future. Because honestly? I'd love to see what remains of journaling activity move to DW, so be the change, right?

I'm also trying to track down Tolkien fandom people that I'm not following yet. If you're over there under a name other than your LJ handle, can you let me know, please?

There is one thing, brought up in a discussion by the B2MeM mods, that disturbs me: LJ accounts are now liable to be shut down after six months of inactivity? Does anyone know if that is in fact true? And does it retroactively apply, even if someone has not accepted the new ToS (as in they are not longer around to accept said ToS)? I don't see why it wouldn't ... or couldn't. If so, I foresee a massive loss of fan history, not just in Tolkien fandom but everywhere, from both personal LJs and communities.

Here is what the non-legally-binding (so take with a grain of salt) English ToS says: "6.1.1. The Administration reserves the right to delete Account and Blog if User did not access the Account or the access was restricted for more than six months due to a breach hereof."

But I haven't seen discussion of this aside from the conversation among the B2MeM mods. Has anyone heard anything about this? I found a post on the OTW that talks about some of the other implications of the ToS, but this is not mentioned.

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Date: 2017-04-23 05:28 pm (UTC)
facetiousfutz: (oh internet)
From: [personal profile] facetiousfutz
I haven't been on LJ since... I don't even know. 2013? But I totally get it. They just keep fudging themselves repeatedly and I'm well past the point of caring. Remember strikethrough in 2007? For me, that was the match that started the ongoing dumpster fire. All of my old fanfic is still up on LJ though, and most of it is quite gay, lol. They'll probably never touch it, but if they do, I really don't care.
Edited Date: 2017-04-23 05:29 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2017-04-23 06:36 pm (UTC)
facetiousfutz: (pmmm sayaka)
From: [personal profile] facetiousfutz
I just looked up the six-month thing. If they enforce that, it will be a lot of fandom history lost. :( That sucks. LJ used to be my go-to, my home, especially in 2004-2010. Nothing has been a good replacement for it either. DW would be fantastic if more people were here. It's the only thing holding it back, in my opinion, but sadly that's not something the site itself has much control over. Of course, sites like facebook, twitter, and tumblr are all very irritating to me, despite having much more activity. The interfaces, the impersonal nature, the drama, and the rapid-fire spread of garbage information turn me off to all of them.

It always boils down to the same thing. The thing I want, that is, LJ in its prime, is the one thing I'll likely never have again. It's sad, but I've mourned over it already. Now I'm mostly numb to it.

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Date: 2017-04-23 06:59 pm (UTC)
facetiousfutz: (suikoden prince/lyon)
From: [personal profile] facetiousfutz
I was active on tumblr for two years, and I've been at least semi-active of facebook since 2008. With facebook, I keep that open in case family or whoever needs to get in touch with me.

As for tumblr, it was gratifying to receive many notes on my posts; however, it was short-lived and very impersonal. I would ultimately walk away from it feeling empty. Like, 200 notes on a tumblr post meant less to me than 1 review on a fanfic. Why? I takes no time or thought whatsoever to like, or share a post on tumblr. Whereas what we're doing right here? We're putting thought and time into what we type. Does it lend itself well to busy schedules? No, so I understand the appeal of one-and-done likes/shares. Do I personally get anything out of them, though? Frankly... no. Not a damn thing. I couldn't even enjoy the Suikoden fandom on tumblr, and that's the only place it was active as far as I know.

And don't even get me started on how much political posts flood my wall. On a journal they can be tagged and easily avoided. On tumblr and facebook? They're like a mountain of garbage spilling over into the nice part of town. Can't avoid it, no matter how much I clean it up. No matter how many filters I apply, they keep worming their way in.
Edited Date: 2017-04-23 07:00 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2017-04-23 05:45 pm (UTC)
ladybrooke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ladybrooke
Hopefully I'll remember to comment over here instead of LJ for future posts (I'm trying to keep track of who prefers what site and post comments on there).

I have no idea what that ToS means until it happens, but I don't think it'd be so much that they're liable to get taken down, as that it's another way for them to sneak in something that they can use to get rid of journals that go against the Russian government's beliefs. Where B2MeM would fall in that, I have no idea, but unless they've set up a way to auto-delete any journal that goes that long without posting, I don't see how they would mass delete...
Edited Date: 2017-04-23 05:46 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2017-04-23 06:54 pm (UTC)
openidwouldwork: (didn't do it)
From: [personal profile] openidwouldwork
Re:B2MeM - I started doing here on dreamwidth and drop weekly links on the lj com, I could just post a link to the sunday spam on B2MeM to keep the com 'active'? But it's not only Boromir/LotR pics...

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Date: 2017-04-23 09:28 pm (UTC)
ladybrooke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ladybrooke
I prefer commenting over here. I just forget who posts on here sometimes. :P

I'm assuming that journals slated for closure would at least receive an automated notification (at which point one of the B2MeM mods could make a post to keep the comm open), but that doesn't help if a person is long-gone from fandom and does not check the email associated with their journal. And that's a lot of fandom history lost.
Or doesn't even have that email anymore! I know I've lost access to email accounts that I used when I first signed up for various online accounts. It's easy to overlook an email, even if you do check your email (I know I get forty+ emails a day just on gmail, and I have three other accounts).

(We've backed up the B2MeM comm too.)
Yay! I'll admit to worries that it would disappear into space with everybody's stories.

But I'm not going to put it past them to write a script that searches for and deletes inactive journals.
That's also entirely possible, though at the current rate, they'll have fewer server costs just from people deleting their journals on their own.

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Date: 2017-04-24 01:14 am (UTC)
ladybrooke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ladybrooke
Wait, email? The only companies sending me ads over email should be the ones I specifically signed up to receive ads from, like Target or whoever.

I've never read or agreed to a ToS that had that in it, either.

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Date: 2017-04-23 06:02 pm (UTC)
idleleaves: (Default)
From: [personal profile] idleleaves
Oh, I hope LJ doesn't go deleting journals that are inactive for more than six months. I might basically live here, now, but I've been on LJ since 2001, ffs. That's a lot of history to lose, if they decide to go on a deleting spree.

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Date: 2017-04-23 06:34 pm (UTC)
mithrial: (elrond - blue2)
From: [personal profile] mithrial
I am with you on hoping all the active fandoms - especially the Tolkien fandom - on LJ migrate over here.
Dreamwidth does seem to be a good place from what I've found out so far.

I plan to ... continue to leave up the "gay propaganda" and the slash and all the cussing I've dabbled in over the years.

Ah yes, well said indeed. Having a gay son, this is close to my heart. Actually gay rights have always been close to my heart.

It was years ago* that I found slash fiction online. And since then LJ and later AO3 have been at the heart of it's wonderfulness.

*Probably Spike/Angel in 2002/3.

I think we that have been around so long mostly started out on Blogger.
I had my own Spike/Angel website called 'Dead Sexy'. (Yes really. It probably frightened a lot of straight blokes looking for something more hetero and expecting a lot of 'girly boobs'.)

A few really lovely friends I still have from back then even now. ♥♥♥

But reading your post, I think I'd better get some of my older stuff transferred over here. Just in case.

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Date: 2017-04-24 04:24 am (UTC)
ranunculus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ranunculus
So, I don't write fan-fic or slash, but LGBTQ+ rights are a big issue with me. Not only do I live and work in San Francisco -in the arts-, but I also have always dressed, and preferred to dress male rather than female, and I work, and have for 40 years, worked in a male dominated, very physically demanding job.

It may be that the Russian government has actually taken over control of LJ as a propaganda tool. As such they are acquiring a network once used by radical Russians and they don't care at all about any Western involvement. Something that I vaguely remember from the letter they initially sent suggested that they were more concerned about "European" use, "which is the majority anyway". Really?

It makes me wonder what they will do with Permanent accounts. I suppose I will need to check in next fall to see if they have deleted my account.

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Date: 2017-04-25 02:02 am (UTC)
ranunculus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ranunculus
The whole thing is a complete mess and I wonder if the site will exist in 5 years. After all if there is a huge migration elsewhere they are cutting their own revenue stream down my millions. How to ruin a business.

I see that you subscribed to my journal. Welcome! I think we do have a number of interests in common, including a bunch of self sustaining issues.

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Date: 2017-05-01 06:24 pm (UTC)
mithrial: (elrond - gold)
From: [personal profile] mithrial
When things are family, we do get more active.
Yes - the demise of such a creative and fun community as LJ is a sad loss.

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Date: 2017-04-23 08:13 pm (UTC)
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
From: [personal profile] independence1776
I was going to link to the same link Himring posted over on LJ.

I will say this much: I contacted the mods of two of the three Young Wizards comms about the six-month/TOS issue, as the YW fandom is dead on LJ and I didn't want to lose that history. It's how I put it in my PMs. Both of them have or will move their comms to Dreamwidth. The third community is the discussion comm and one of the mods of the fic comm is also a mod there, but I haven't heard if they're moving it. If I still haven't heard back by Tuesday, I'm contacting them again because it's a tiny fandom and I don't want to lose the posts from the very early days.

I do think that if people don't accept the new TOS, those accounts will be quietly deleted sometime in the future. I also wouldn't put it past LJ to remove inactive accounts without any notification whatsoever. I bascally have a mental reminder now to post something mod-locked in the B2MeM comm near the first of every month, even if it's just a junk post with a period in it.

All that said, I've decided that while I'm still crossposting, if people post on DW I'll reply there first and only then check LJ. DW has the ability for me to not use the mobile site that's the only way I can access LJ (and you had a taste of how horrible it is).

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Date: 2017-04-23 10:47 pm (UTC)
independence1776: Maglor throwing the Silmaril into the Sea with the word "heretic" on top (Tolkien Heretic)
From: [personal profile] independence1776
Yep. There are so many complications and considerations that go into importing. I honestly feel more comfortable with changing the security setting on B2MeM specifically because it was aimed at all ages and types of fans and we're protecting everyone. SWG has made no bones it's geared towards fans who have some level of maturity and ability to ignore what they dislike, plus it was the home of the heretics, so changing the setting feels like giving in. …I'm not sure that made sense outside of my brain.

Maybe. I hestitate to allow posts that aren't specifically B2MeM-related, though. That's my only objection. In other words: yet another thing to discuss. I have the feeling I should be making a list.

presumably (hopefully?) it is less so on an actual mobile.

I wouldn't know. I use the regular site on the iPad, which is a pain to type on so I tend not to use it for LJ. I use the mobile version on my desktop. Mind, my desktop is nearly fourteen. I had to switch exclusively to the mobile site because LJ first decided it would take five minutes to load a page and then it decided that it would no longer show me my comments. This was not a recent thing, btw; it's been like that for months before the server move. If I want the regular site on a computer, I have to use the shared family computer. (Other fun things about the mobile version: no editing. No ability to make mod-only posts. No ability to see profiles or tag pages. It's pretty much "post, comment, and read flist" only.)

Dreamwidth still works wonderfully on my desktop, much better than LJ does. I haven't switched to any of the beta modules, though.

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Date: 2017-04-24 12:21 am (UTC)
ladybrooke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ladybrooke
Maybe. I hestitate to allow posts that aren't specifically B2MeM-related, though. That's my only objection. In other words: yet another thing to discuss. I have the feeling I should be making a list.

I have two finished fics now from this years B2MeM that I haven't posted yet, and several more ready to finish. If you all want something specifically B2MeM-related, I can get over my hangups and post one of those a month or whatever until it's time for you all to start posting about next year. (Granted, they're my fics, so I can't guarantee that Sindarin backlash against the Noldor won't trip some anti-uprising/protest law in Russia. :P)

Also, the mobile version of lj sucks on a mobile, or at least it does on mine. It took 10 minutes for my friends page to load once and let me scroll down past the first entry.

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Date: 2017-04-24 01:41 am (UTC)
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
From: [personal profile] independence1776
We'll get back to you on that. Thank you for offering! :)

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Date: 2017-04-24 01:46 am (UTC)
ladybrooke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ladybrooke
You're welcome for the offer! :)

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Date: 2017-04-24 10:22 pm (UTC)
hhimring: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hhimring
I see Brooke has already offered to post fic to prevent any problems on the LJ side of B2MeM.
If that plan fails for any reason, let me know. I can probably manage to post little rec lists for past B2MeM entries at fairly regular intervals, if needed, at least for a while.

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Date: 2017-04-25 07:24 pm (UTC)
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
From: [personal profile] independence1776
Thanks! We'll let you know.

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Date: 2017-04-24 02:31 pm (UTC)
jenni_blog: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jenni_blog
I am planning to use DW from now on. My problem is that I'm lazy and still haven't figured out how to crosspost or insert photos into posts. If I was using DW all the time then I would have figured out how to do those things by now. Because I'm still a paid user on LJ, with a lot of icon space, I tend to want to take advantage of that, but ehhhh....I don't know wth to do except get the hang of cross posting ASP.

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Date: 2017-04-25 12:37 pm (UTC)
jenni_blog: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jenni_blog
Thank you so much, Dawn! I tried both crossposting and uploading photos to the DW hosting service and it worked! Now I just have to try hosting off DW and see if I can do it. ;)

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Date: 2017-04-24 05:41 pm (UTC)
rhapsody: (just be)
From: [personal profile] rhapsody
I am here, somewhat, when RL & my energy allows me to.

So, onto the stuff you are wondering about (nice lay out here btw)

I'm not even clear if the ToS applies to me, as a paid account holder (and apparently the paid accounts are still U.S.-owned?)

“This translation of the User Agreement is not a legally binding document. The original User Agreement, which is valid, is located at the following address,” followed by a link to the Russian-language version.

Basically the Russian text prevails over the English version (the english version links to it), if any differences between the two are discovered. This means that all LiveJournal users, including people outside Russia, must follow the Russian text. And you agreed to that, right?

Yes I know, I know that I should have taken Russian classes so long ago when I could at college *sighs*

Livejournal inc is seemingly still located in San Fran, according to Bloomberg. But you as a paid user has article 13.4 in the TOS. For now.

Account deletion:

6.1.1 is very clear:
The Administration reserves the right to delete Account and Blog if User did not access the Account or the access was restricted for more than six months due to a breach hereof.

They reserve the right to do this. I suppose it depends on if they start pruning these accounts as a standard procedure or not. If they did so under the old TOS, then they will also do it now.

I was once a paid member, ended up as a plus member, but that's gone too. I still haven't signed the new TOS, what I read is not making me feel very reassured. This feeling is combined by knowing how far the Russian's have gone here to influence the political debate here and I can imagine it does feel different if you live on a different continent. Then again, LJ and I go back 18 years, and this just makes me very sad.

And of course, even though I am on a break, I cannot perform mod duties unless I sign the damned TOS so that puts me also in an awkward position (shouldIevergettheenergybacktopickitupagain).
Edited Date: 2017-04-24 05:42 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2017-04-25 09:11 pm (UTC)
rhapsody: (Arya Stark)
From: [personal profile] rhapsody
oh hey *hugs*

I was not trusting that the English version provided by LJ was accurate ...It sounds like you might have the same cynical theory that I do: that paid accounts were kept under the old ToS to avoid legal challenges (and possible refunds) but will be switched to the new ToS when the paid time expires?


They also meddled with our elections.

I've discussed this with Binks before. It is not that alone, there is a bigger thing happening. Brexit is happening, the French elections are coming up and with Le Pen being oh so cosy with Putin... Us turning down the treaty with Ukraine (geez, makes you wonder about that huh). The recent referendum in Turkey where both Germany and our country were threathened and being called by Erdogan as nazi countries. We cannot have Europe fall apart, we cannot have a fifth column here that puts groups of people up against each other. The political situation in Turkey worries me as well and all of this is in the benefit of Russia. I wonder what Bobby is thinking about all of this, given his political studies long long ago. Knowing history, a larger play is going on here and I worry in many years from now we all could see it happening, but we didn't have that overview. Each nation seems to adopt 'us first'without considering the bigger picture. Britain is one whopping example where with fake arguments the No camp won, those folks quickly resigned/stepped after that and left it up to others to clean up the mess. Maybe that is one of the reasons May is calling for early elections, I wonder. They cannot stop the article 50 procedure now, but maybe there is an inkling of hope that the new elections will show a huge pro-European majority... One can hope. *steps down from the soap box*

I'm going to open this conversation ... over email.

That's fine, I just need to think about it, but with so much going on here...

(Although what history on it!)

Well I think you can make a back up of a community right?

It was awesome to hear from you. I'd love to know how RL stuff is going if you ever want to email (I'll try not to write novels but can't promise anything ;).

RL is hectic as always, just crawling back slowly from the place I managed to get myself in. It was a deep low, I am still very tired, but otherwise more stable with a fragile balance (I also managed to get hurt badly 4 weeks ago and only this week I am off the pain meds, long story).

*squishes you*

I do try to read the reading page here as much as I can, so do share the stories (I just love the enthusiasm of Gwen at sea).

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Date: 2017-05-02 03:13 pm (UTC)
rhapsody: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rhapsody
I absolutely did not want to come across as dismissive, sorry!

What Russia did in the states, it is hard to tell right now, imho. In your election race so many factors were in the process that led to the Trump win. Was it an overlarge role, did both sides benefit from it? History will tell, I just want the truth regarding that on the table and hopefully it will be enough to impeach Trump.. that man is such a disaster on so many levels.

For us.. the situation in Poland has been very very worrisome for some years now, also for the Balkan States. For us as a nation it became even more prominent with the disaster/tragedy of MH17 in 2014, Dutch Ukraine European Union Association Agreement Referendum in 2016... our recent election where Russia's influence was felt and feared, but it was also anticipated upon.

I am relieved that we did beat the anti EU and anti refugee sentiment with our elections. This article sums up how Russia is actively trying to weak the EU (just in case you want to read it). What I tried to say was that it is not only you guys who feel it, but if WWII has shown: Russian troups can be on our doorstep quite fast. The EU has secured peace here for so long, I've grown up not knowing what it is to live in a war (even though the impact of it was still felt in my generation), but my daughter for example has been free of it and I wish this for many years to come. She sometimes asks about it though and you can see how she tries to wrap her head around it.

Although this being said, Russia only needs to cross the Beering sea to invade Alaska. Daring, surely, but not impossible. North Korea with their love for missiles, Trump making it even worse by insultingSouth Korea (Tillerson appears to be the level headed one here, but jeeesh, I though having Bush as a president was bad).

Then I am not even starting about the Russia/Turkey/Germany/Netherlands weird angle last April. So surreal, but worrisome. Especially since Turkey/Erdogan has blocked Wikipedia access, has forbidden national archives to register information/news as a new wave of people being fired/arrested is going through that nation.

Then of course we have the Paris treaty for the environment developments, the French elections coming weekend... so so many things.

I'm glad you're doing better, although I'm really sorry that you've hurt yourself badly enough to be on pain meds for weeks.

Yeah, well that was also added on my plate with the rest of it. What appeared to be a minor accident caused my pelvic instability to come back in full with some other inflammation surfacing as well. Oh the timing! It was hard to walk for me those weeks, but I had to go through it combined with the exercises. It is finally paying off now.

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